The body itself and the lens appear to be in almost perfect working condition. I documented this in my Sony A7R review in detail and as a result withdrew the A7R from the list of recommended cameras. If the sensor readout is faster in uncompressed mode why is this not effecting the banding caused by a dimmed LED? A slow shutter speed/long exposure has uses beyond just taking normal landscapes after sunset. Thanks. -In silent shooting it exposes, but it's a very black frame.-> I tried turning silent shooting off and taking a shot and got "camera error, cycle power please", which remained even after the camera had been switched off. Both curtains accelerate at about the same rate, so that the exposure — the horizontal width of the green stripe — is about the same from the bottom to the top of the image. Are we still 12 bits in continuous modes? Would be great to know, as its a key feature for me in thinking about upgrading (I work on film sets where I need to shoot silent mode all the time). I’ve put together a roundup of, registered with the U.S. The following camera models have an added electronic sound that is always on. Electronic / silent shutter of the Sony A9 / A9ii vs Sony A7iii / A7Riii Both the Sony A7iii and Sony A9 / A9ii offer a silent / electronic shutter. Is it still reading out only 12 bits in compressed continuous? But if we set the file format to compressed raw, and the shutter mode to continuous (C), things move a bit faster: That’s almost twice as fast, or about 1/30 second. I’ve created a Category called a7RIII. I guess that the “compressed continuous” mode gives 12bit files, instead of the 13bits of “compressed_single” .. no ?. No, (assuming the shutter speed is fast enough) but there might be some distortion. […] 12/120, or 0.1 seconds to scan the whole frame. Restrictions when using the Silent Shooting mode. I set it to 10 milliseconds per division, and made another exposure: I put the scan time at 7 divisions or 70 milliseconds. Interesting findings, thanks Jim. As the shutter speeds get higher, the slit gets narrower. Just like with a mechanical focal plane shutter, speeds faster than the scanning time of the shutter are achieved by having a (virtual or real) slit that traverses the focal plane. Or is everything shot at 1/30th of a second. All of the current generation full frame cameras – Sony A9, Sony A7rii, Sony A7iii, Nikon Z6, Nikon Z7, and Canon R are all equipped with silent shutter capabilities. Navigate to the Camera 2 tab. I would expect that it would be in the III as well. This is the first post in a series on the Sony alpha 7 Mark III, aka the a7RIII. The silent mode really is. Whether it’s half again as fast in continuous compressed will need verification. The width of the stripe is one division, or one millisecond. I mounted a Sony 90 mm f/2.8 lens on the camera. “But if we set the file format to compressed raw, and the shutter mode to continuous (C), things move a bit faster…”. The mechanical shutter is a rabbit, completing an exposure in faster than 1/250 second (for shutter speeds much faster than that, a slit moves across the sensor, and we’ll see in this post how long it takes to make its journey). I set the camera for the mechanical shutter, with silent shutter off. I was pleasantly surprised to find that when the Sony a7iii claims to have a silent shutter, it’s really true. I’m confused at how this works practically. The a7RIII has a silent shutter mode. While most of them only offer an “electronic first curtain shutter” the A7s(II) and and A7rII even offer a completely silent, purely electronic shutter. Looking at that another way, it travels from the bottom of the camera to the top. Noise is different. The Silent mode only work for single shots without flash. The fully electronic shutter takes longer to do its job. Sony claimed that the sensor is the same, so they were using only 50 percent of its peak performance in mark ii? Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal-plane_shutter. There’s no click at all–at least from the shutter. I’ve received some complaints that it’s hard to navigate in this blog, what with its couple of thousand posts and many multi-part series. So in APS-C and 12bit compressed RAW mode electronic shutter may be around 1/60s fast enough for shooting slow/medium moving action without significant distortion. Shutter Speed Range: 1/8000 - 30 sec: Bulb Mode: Yes: Exposure Compensation: +/- 5. Now, let’s leave the scope set up the same way, switch the camera to silent shutter, and make another picture: The electronic shutter travels in the same direction as the mechanical one, from the top of the image to the bottom, or the bottom of the camera to the top. I set EFCS to on and set the file format to uncompressed raw, with the camera on manual exposure, the shutter mode single shot, and the shutter speed at 1/1000 second – that’s one msec. Some people have even confused the normal shutter sound with the silent shutter feature which is incorrect as the silent shutter is just that: silent. I’ll test it. 3.) This would explain the 2X speedup 😉. Silent shutter only works when you’re in one of these settings. That’s 100 milliseconds, or  1/10 second. Until the … That’s equal to … But if it does the extra noise from its 12-bit operation can be offset by bracketing the exposure even for cases where bracketing wouldn't otherwise be called for, to increase the SNR of the entire final image esp from the … Double performance WAS Sony’s claim when the camera was announced. that’s twice faster than mark ii, is this even possible? The results were impressive. The sensor is not faster in uncompressed mode. What is the bit depth of “uncompressed continuous” ?. 2.) Fine, except for distortion from either subject or camera blur. Or read this and look at the pictures of the fan: https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/how-camera-shutters-work/, ‘But if we set the file format to compressed raw, and the shutter mode to continuous (C), things move a bit faster’, Jim, what about uncompressed RAW and which continuous mode did you use (Hi+ ?). The only confirmation that you have taken a photo is a momentary blackout through the viewfinder or on the back screen’s live view. Looking at this picture might be easier. For the most part, they can be expected to share the same limitations. That’s what I tested. It is in the a7RII and the D850. registering a reference frame when setting up a custom white balance. There has been some debate online (and a lot of hot air) about whether you should be switching the e-front curtain shutter off on your Mirrorless camera. However, based on Sony’s recent segmentation decisions on the A9 I presume Sony didn’t take advantage of this for the A7rIII, to keep separation with the upcoming A7s refresh. It won't work with flash or with the continuous shutter mode. Thanks for the test. -Yes, shutter is visible and appears fully 'closed', covering the entire sensor. I set the time base to 1 msec/division, and the amplitude of the generator to just over the maximum excursion for the scope’s vertical sensitivity. The Sony alpha 7 Mark II (aka a7RII) has a silent shutter mode. I’m guessing the A7rII is also capable of 1/30 readout but Sony didn’t bother to run the configure the sensor/ADC to utilize it. How fast is the Sony a7RIV silent shutter? Hit the menu button on the camera. I’ve also added a widget called Category List to the right sidebar, below the Articles widget. The shutter accelerates as it moves across the sensor. Photography meets digital computer technology. It is in the a7RII, and probably is in the a7RIII. To get the highest scan rate, you need compressed raw and the fastest continuous mode. I used C3. Would a car driving down the street look blurred? However it does have a little over 70k shutter actuations. Shutter Count on a Sony a7RII Frogfish wrote : I'm not sure any amount is 'too many' as it depends on the condition of the camera and of course you can easily change the shutter assembly. When running silent, the mechanical shutter is on vacation: the sensor does all the work. That’s about 1/15 of a second, or about the same speed as the a7RII silent shutter. Unfortunately, Sony seems to have only done this for certain use cases – for others (such as video) there is no change from the R2 as far as I can tell – double performance should have allowed for full-sensor-width video sampling with no pixel skipping. Can you set 1/500 of a second on silent shutter? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal-plane_shutter. Even if [Silent Shooting] is set to [On], the shutter sound may beep under the following circumstances: [White Balance] is set to [Custom Setup] [Face Registration] You cannot select [Silent Shooting] … If we project where the trailing edge of the green band intersects the top and the bottom of the frame onto the top and bottom of the oscilloscope graticule, and the horizontal distance in divisions between those dots will give us the shutter travel time. Is elettronic shutter in apsc mode faster? To change your shutter speed in MANUAL mode, turn the dial from AUTO all the way over to ‘M. 5fps , with little lag with mechanical shutter (with blackout) A7RIII (with blackout) 10 fps with little lag with mechanical/silent shutter; up to 8 fps without lag with mechanical/silent shutter; A7RII (with blackout) 5 fps with little lag with mechanical shutter; 2.5 fps with no lag with mechanical shutter; no continuous drive with silent shutter Thanks again for all your tests – they help alot! Silent Shooting is a camera feature that allows you to shoot images without the sound created by the mechanical shutter. 4.) Sorry, but don’t have access to Olympus gear. In s35 mode, electronic shutter is faster? I read this article and had hoped that using uncompressed and continuous mode might let me shoot at a higher shutter speed and still avoid banding with dimmed LED lights. Spectral sensitivity is different, if you can believe the compromise matrices in the EXIF data. All full frame E-mount cameras (except for the A7r) feature an electronic shutter in addition to the mechanical shutter. Unlike my previous camera the Canon 5D Mark III, which has a silent mode that is quiet, the Sony is actually silent. Copyright Office. Sony responded to this in the A7RII with a brand new shutter mechanism. But there’s also bunch of new setting you … I’m confused at how this works practically. If you’re going to try this at home, don’t try it with a digital scope; it won’t work. Robert Treman park in Ithaca, NY with Sony A7r3 and 16-35mm F/4 and 10 stop ND filter In the photography class I teach, I’ve been asked several times the purpose of ND filters. The A7II has been released just a year after the A7, same for the A7r/ A7rII and A7s/A7sII. That’s about 1/15 of a second, or about the same speed as the a7RII silent shutter. It's fantastic for sneaking around public and private places, or shooting from a blind. I put it at 3.4 divisions or the same number of milliseconds. Would a car driving down the street look blurred? The speed is not constant; if it were the diagonal green band would have straight edges. Image processing for in-camera histograms, Making the in-camera histogram closely represent the raw histogram, Leica 90/2 Apo-Summicron ASPH-M on GFX 50S. They claim a 1/50s … 1/60s sensor readout speed. 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